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I originally trained as a cabinetmaker. After that, I studied in Essen, Paris, Copenhagen and Cologne. However, I didn’t complete a traditional degree – for personal and family reasons, at some point my studies were no…
Could you please tell us a bit about your design background and education?
I originally trained as a cabinetmaker. After that, I studied in Essen, Paris, Copenhagen and Cologne. However, I didn’t complete a traditional degree – for personal and family reasons, at some point my studies were no longer compatible with my life. Professionally, I’ve been self-employed for over 25 years and have always worked across a fairly broad spectrum: from corporate design and print to digital applications, exhibitions, spatial concepts and interior design.
What motivates you to design in general, why did you become a designer?
For me, enthusiasm remains the most important thing. Even after more than 25 years’ professional experience, I still really enjoy this work. What appeals to me most of all is delving into different topics and developing something from them that actually works for the person or company in question. If that curiosity and enjoyment ever fade, I believe you should ask yourself whether you’re still in the right profession.
Did you choose to become a designer, or you were forced to become one?
For me, it developed from my childhood. Thanks to my upbringing and my training as a cabinetmaker, design was part of my life from a very early age. Through my studies and the various stages of my career, it became increasingly clear that I’m interested in design in all its forms.
What do you design, what type of designs do you wish to design more of?
I work in two main areas: brand identities and exhibitions. When it comes to exhibitions, I actually do a great deal – from the initial concept through to the design, right down to the spatial layout and visitor engagement. Alongside this, I create books, brochures, posters, websites, packaging, labels and much more. For me, there isn’t really one specific type of design that I absolutely have to do more of. It’s precisely the diversity of the subjects that enriches my work.
What should young designers do to become a design legend like you?
Above all, I’d advise them to find out whether they’re really keen on this profession. If not, they should do something else. And otherwise: just get on with it. Don’t just start projects, but actually realise and see them through to the end. You learn an incredible amount when you actually put things into practice. And you should stay open-minded, get to know people and not assume that your own network consists solely of the four people who happen to work in the same neighbourhood.
What distinguishes between a good designer and a great designer?
A good designer can create designs. A really good designer understands in advance what it is they actually need to design. For me, therefore, design doesn’t begin with the visual creation, but with the conversation and the conceptual phase. I want to understand what my client actually does, what they stand for and what they want to achieve. Only then can a design emerge that really makes sense.
What makes a good design a really good design, how do you evaluate good design?
For me, good design must be understandable and relevant. That’s why I don’t start by producing various design proposals and then ask which one they like best. I first develop a concept and derive the design from that. If, in the end, the client understands why something looks the way it does and, at the same time, realises that it actually helps them, then a great deal has already been achieved.
What is the value of good design? Why should everyone invest in good design?
Good design provides clarity and makes visible what someone stands for.
This is particularly important for businesses, because you need to distinguish yourself from others through your visual identity. I often find that clients don’t actually know exactly what they need at first. When we work together to identify who they are and what makes them special, design can take on a very tangible economic and communicative value.
What would you design and who would you design for if you had the time?
I’m drawn to projects where the solution isn’t predetermined from the outset. The more varied the subject matter, the more exciting I usually find it. That’s why I could probably imagine taking on an unusual cultural or social project rather than yet another project that simply involves replicating an existing design template.
What is the dream project you haven't yet had time to realize?
For me, a dream project is defined less by its scale than by the opportunity to work in a truly consistent and conceptual manner across all disciplines. When content, space, graphics, communication and perhaps even people with different experiences come together, I find that particularly exciting.
What is your secret recipe of success in design, what is your secret ingredient?
There’s probably no real secret recipe. I’d say: listen, stay curious, come up with good concepts, and take things seriously but with a sense of humour. Perseverance is key too. Some of my favourite projects have emerged from ideas where, at the start, I had absolutely no idea where they would lead. Sometimes you just have to take the initiative and see what comes of it.
Who are some other design masters and legends you get inspired from?
Arne Jacobsen, Yayoi Kusama, Bo van le Mentzel, Bjarke Ingels, Sam Francis, Takashi Murakami, Philippe Starck, Victor Vasarely, Jean Tinguely, Niki de Saint-Phalle, Paul Arden, Wilhelm Busch, Brösel, Urderzo & Goscinny and many more as well as many of my current colleagues.
What are your favorite designs by other designers, why do you like them?
I generally like designs where you can tell that they aren’t just following a current visual trend, but have emerged from a clear idea. That’s probably also why I try to work as trend-free as possible myself.
What is your greatest design, which aspects of that design makes you think it is great?
One of the larger projects was certainly the ‘Ludwig lebt’ exhibition at the German Rock and Pop Museum in Gronau. Spanning around 800 to 900 square metres, it focused on Beethoven as a pop star. But for me, size alone doesn’t make a project great. It becomes exciting when the content, concept, design and space really come together and, in the end, an exhibition is created that connects with people. The exhibition “On The Road Again. The World of Our Truckers” at the Dresden Transport Museum also offered me the chance to showcase my full creative range.
How could people improve themselves to be better designers, what did you do?
They should do more and talk less. And they should learn to listen. As a designer in particular, you’re quickly tempted to come up with a visual solution straight away. But I think it’s much more important to first understand what it’s actually all about. During your studies and in your professional life, you should also learn to work independently and to teach yourself things from time to time.
If you hadn't become a designer, what would you have done?
To be honest, I can’t say. I’m a trained cabinetmaker, so some form of design or craftsmanship would probably have been the obvious choice. An actor or musician might also have been a possibility.
How do you define design, what is design for you?
For me, design doesn’t start with a beautiful surface. Design means, first and foremost, understanding a problem or a task and developing a meaningful solution for it.
The design is then the result of this process. That’s why my work is always both conceptual and communicative – regardless of whether I’m developing a brand identity, a book or an exhibition.
Who helped you to reach these heights, who was your biggest supporter?
I don’t think there was just one person in my case. Many people have played a part at different stages. Of course, the people I’ve worked with over the years are particularly important. And my family has also played a vital role in my professional development – after all, it was, amongst other things, our children’s health that brought us to Föhr in the first place.
What helped you to become a great designer?
Above all, a willingness to do different things. I’ve never tried to focus exclusively on a small niche. One day I might develop a visual identity, the next I might conceptualise an exhibition, and then design a book or a website. This breadth keeps me curious and constantly leads to new contacts and new ideas.
What were the obstacles you faced before becoming a design master?
One obstacle was certainly the fact that I don’t have a traditional degree. I studied in Essen, Paris, Copenhagen and Cologne, but for personal and family reasons I didn’t complete my degree. Today, that can actually be a disadvantage at times – for example, when it comes to teaching at a university. Professionally, however, it hasn’t prevented me from forging my own path.
How do you think designers should present their work?
Not just through attractive images. You should be able to show and explain why something was designed in a particular way. That’s precisely why the concept is so important to me. When I present my work to a client, they shouldn’t have to choose between three random options, but should understand why the proposed solution is the right one for them.
What's your next design project, what should we expect from you in future?
The 13th edition of ‘Alles, alles Gute’ is currently in the pipeline. The newspaper is being relaunched after a three-year hiatus. Generally speaking, though, my work will probably continue to be a mix of exhibitions, brand identities, print projects and the opportunities that arise from my network.
What's your ultimate goal as a designer?
I don’t have a specific end goal. Above all, I’d probably like to keep enjoying my work. After more than 25 years, that’s already a pretty good place to be for me. And I’d like to continue working on projects where I feel that my work actually makes a difference.
What people expect from an esteemed designer such as yourself?
I think, above all, they expect reliability. When someone works with me, they want to know that I’m really engaging with their subject matter and not just applying a design template. My clients should be able to trust that I won’t just throw five options at them, but will develop a well-thought-out, bespoke solution.
How does design help create a better society?
Design can make things visible and understandable. This plays a particularly important role in exhibitions, because that’s where knowledge is conveyed and history is told. For example, I’ve worked on a memorial to euthanasia. Projects like this aren’t about making something as beautiful as possible, but about creating an appropriate way to engage with a difficult subject. Design then helps to ensure that the content reaches people.
What are you currently working on that you are especially excited about?
At the moment, a new brand is right at the top of my list. It’s about economic cycles and sustainable value creation. I can’t reveal any more than that just yet.
Which design projects gave you the most satisfaction, why?
I derive a great deal of satisfaction from projects that lead to long-term relationships. A good example is my work for the Museum Kunst der Westküste, which began shortly before we moved to Föhr. But the exhibitions featuring illustrators are also particularly valuable to me. A small idea gave rise to an international network there, with which I still work to this day.
What would you like to see changed in design industry in the coming years?
I’d like to see more focus on content and concepts again, and less on short-term visual trends. In the past, you could tell many agencies and designers apart by their work. Today, so much of it looks astonishingly similar. I think it’s important for designers to develop their own distinct approach again and to make this visible.
Where do you think the design field is headed next?
It will certainly be even more shaped by digital and technological developments. At the same time, I don’t believe that print and physical design will disappear. On the contrary: precisely because so much communication has become digital and short-lived, a well-made physical object can once again have a special impact. I therefore see an increasing coexistence of different media rather than a complete shift from print to digital.
How long does it take you to finalize a design project?
That depends very much on the project. An exhibition can take a long time to develop, whilst other tasks can be resolved very quickly. For me, however, the key isn’t to produce something as quickly as possible. I invest a lot of time in discussions and conceptualisation, particularly at the start. Once this foundation is right, the actual design process can often become surprisingly clear and efficient.
When you have a new design project, where do you start?
With a discussion. First of all, I want to know exactly what my client actually does, where their strengths lie and what they want to achieve. After that, I develop a concept. Only once this concept is in place do I begin the actual design work. This applies just as much to a large corporation as it does to a small bike hire business or a baker.
What is your life motto as a designer?
To be known without being recognised.
Do you think design sets the trends or trends set the designs?
Both happen. Personally, though, I don’t find trends a particularly important guide. I tend to try to develop solutions that arise from the specific content and the specific task at hand. If you’re constantly looking at what’s currently in vogue, there’s a risk that your own work will become irrelevant.
What is the role of technology when you design?
For me, technology is a tool, not an end in itself. Of course, I work digitally. But when it comes to print in particular, I’m also interested in the things that technology alone cannot replace: paper, materials, printing, finishing and tactile qualities. Technology should serve the idea, not dictate it.
What kind of design software and equipment do you use in your work?
Standard graphics programmes and analogue tools.
What is the role of the color, materials and ambient in design?
A very significant one. In print design in particular, materiality is a key part of the design process. I work intensively with papers, print finishes and various production options. In an exhibition, space, colour, material and atmosphere also come into play. All of this influences how people perceive content.
What do you wish people to ask about your design?
Ideally, they shouldn’t even notice it, but simply be satisfied because everything is just right. I want the design not to seem arbitrary, but for the subconscious to understand that there’s an idea behind it.
When you see a new great design or product what comes into your mind?
Probably, first of all, the question: How was this created? I’m less interested in the surface alone than in the thinking behind it. Why was this particular material chosen?
Why this shape? What’s the idea behind it? I find it fascinating to dissect a design and understand the decisions that led to it. And, of course: who made it? And then perhaps get in touch and expand my network.
Who is your ideal design partner? Do you believe in co-design?
Absolutely. I really enjoy working with others. This is particularly natural when it comes to exhibitions, because that’s where different areas of expertise come together – designers, historians, illustrators, architects and many others. I also find the exchange with my clients important. Good design doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
Which people you interacted had the most influence on your design?
There are so many different people. Naturally, the people in my professional network have been particularly important to me. Through exhibitions with illustrators, for example, I’ve built up a network of around 120 illustrators from all over the world. These people and their work continue to influence my own work to this day – not necessarily in terms of design style, but through the possibilities that arise from them.
Which books you read had the most effect on your design?
I’m a huge fan of print publications and magazines. I’ve conveniently sorted my collection of around 1,500 books (graphic design, architecture, branding, biology, art, history, culture, …) and comics by colour. At home, I also have copies of *Brand Eins*, *Katapult*, *Fluter*, *Mare* and *dummy*. I make a point of buying such publications and also look out for interesting magazines whilst out and about in station bookshops.
How did you develop your skills as a master designer?
Through a combination of my studies, practical experience and continuous learning. Looking back, I learnt far more during my studies than I realised at the time. But, of course, much of it only comes through professional practice. You have to take on projects, make mistakes, try things out and keep tackling new topics. And you have to be prepared to teach yourself. The many different international design awards I’ve won confirm this to some extent.
Irrelative of time and space, who you would want to meet, talk and discuss with?
I’m generally interested in people who come from completely different fields to me. It’s precisely this exchange that continually enriches my work. And pop stars who aren’t above playing at a little party in my garden.
How do you feel about all the awards and recognition you had, is it hard to be famous?
Awards are lovely, of course, and it’s nice when your work is recognised. For me, however, they’re primarily a tool. Awards can be a decision-making aid, particularly for clients, because they give them a certain sense of security. And sometimes they also help when discussing budgets. Being famous isn’t the goal for me.
What is your favorite color, place, food, season, thing and brand?
As Walter Gropius said: ‘Colourful’ is my favourite colour. My favourite place is wherever my family and friends are. I’ll eat whatever’s on the table – as long as it’s tasty. And music is also very important.
Please tell us a little memoir, a funny thing you had experienced as a designer?
One of the craziest stories was definitely the colleague who, after two days on Föhr, simply packed his bag and disappeared. He’d left his workstation set up, files open and everything as it was – and was already on the ferry when I rang him. He’d simply got island fever.
Another story illustrates quite well how things come about for me: a few cartoons for my satirical newspaper suddenly turned into an exhibition featuring around 30 illustrators. Later, this grew into exhibitions with more than 100 and eventually around 120 participants. You can hardly plan something like that.
What makes your day great as a designer, how do you motivate yourself?
I don’t really need any special motivation techniques. I still enjoy my work. When a new project comes along and I realise I can really get stuck into it, that’s motivation enough for me. And I really like it when an idea suddenly turns into something that nobody had planned that way before.
When you were a little child, was it obvious that you would become a great designer?
My father is an architect and had his office at home. So, naturally, I used to draw plans for my LEGO houses. Creativity and structure were there right from the start.
What do you think about future; what do you see will happen in thousand years from now?
Design will continue to evolve, particularly through digital technologies. At the same time, I firmly believe that people will still want to touch, look at and experience things. That’s why, in my opinion, print, spaces, exhibitions and physical design will continue to exist.
Please tell us anything you wish your fans to know about you, your design and anything else?
As Wilhelm Busch said: “The best way to say what you mean seriously is to say it in jest.”